Ep3 - Grandmaster Young Ku Yun - The impact of martial arts on personal growth!

This conversation explores the life and experiences of a Grandmaster in Taekwondo, detailing his journey from Korea to establishing martial arts in Australia. It covers his early life, the challenges he faced in promoting Taekwondo globally, and his philosophy on martial arts as a holistic approach to personal development. The discussion also touches on health, longevity, and the importance of legacy, providing insights into the evolution of martial arts practice and the impact of mentorship.

Takeaways
Martial arts is not just about fighting; it's a holistic way of life.
The journey of establishing Taekwondo in different countries is filled with challenges.
Health and longevity are crucial aspects of martial arts practice.
Mistakes are opportunities for learning and growth.
Building a legacy involves sharing knowledge with future generations.
The importance of community and relationships in martial arts.
Martial arts can be adapted for people of all ages and abilities.
Personal stories highlight the resilience and determination required in martial arts.
The evolution of martial arts practice reflects a shift towards health and well-being.
True success is measured by the impact one has on others.

Chapters
00:00 Mentorship and Growth in Martial Arts
18:16 The Evolution of Martial Arts and Taekwondo
21:04 Yun Jung Do: A New Approach to Martial Arts
25:11 Lessons from the Army: A Personal Challenge
27:19 Promoting Taekwondo: The Opera House Demonstration
30:55 Health Over Brute Strength: The Philosophy of Yun Jung Do
33:00 Aging Gracefully: Maintaining Health and Mobility
35:27 Legacy and Reflection: Sharing Knowledge with Future Generations
42:37 Its Not About The Fight outro

Transcript

Ross Cameron (31:17.326)
here to talk about the old days. Yeah. So grandmaster, I've, I've, I've trained with you for many, many, years. Over a hundred years. Some days it feels that way. but what a couple of questions that I want to, would like to ask it. And it's more about the history of, of you and, and Taekwondo and I know.

Ross Cameron (31:50.06)
When you first left Korea and went to do the demonstrations, who was on that demonstration team? Well, that time I just discharged from Korean Army, National Service. And I knew before I discharged, I knew General Cho. I met him because first time I heard Taekwondo myself. He was the founder. Then ...

He invited me to come to his office and talk about whether I'm interested to go overseas. Of course, I was very keen. was an invitation he received from Indonesia Defense Force. So General Cho was trying to select the right instructor for suitable for that position. He opened and he advertised

trying to select the instructor. Over 300 black belts throughout the country. Everybody wanted to go overseas. But only four of us were elected. You ask me who? Myself and Choi Kwan-jo. Choi Kwan-jo? Choi Kwan-jo. And Bong Suk-kun. Seungkwang-ryong. Woo Jae-rim.

I went to Indonesia. But that time, the Indonesian government, we don't know how many instructors they wanted. But earlier I explained, the water demonstration, we a coup started, so we couldn't finish that. And everybody just ... Out of them is Bongsak Gun, Seungkwang Nyeong,

and Wu Jarin, three of them already passed away now. So then you went from there to Hong Kong and Hong Kong to Malaysia? did you have to get visas and that to get to Malaysia? Was that an easy process? was interesting. When I was in the Indonesia demonstration, I was kicked out. Then we had to go to Hong

Ross Cameron (34:18.474)
Mm-hmm. And, So you started... Did you start Hong Kong Taekwondo Association? Hong Kong Taekwondo Association. They call it Kowloon side. Then, the sponsor was Chinese guy. And he organized my passport, visa and everything. Mm-hmm. And he started crashing top of the building, know, roof guard. Yep. Yeah. I know what...

Kowloon's like with the whole of- When I was conducting, two guys was standing watching the classes. I thought they were interested to join. But after class, he approached me, showed his identification. He's from the immigration department. Deportation. He asked me, follow me. So I asked, what happened? My sponsor didn't know.

When I arrived at Hong Kong immigration, handprint. Fingerprinting all these things. He said, your visa is a false. It's not real one. Chinese sponsor, didn't know. He paid the money, but it's false. Yep. Someone did the dirty. So I asked me to leave the country within a week, otherwise put me in jail.

yeah. Then my sponsor, what happened? He didn't know. He was very angry too because he was treated. Yeah, he paid the money. And he asked me to go to Hong Kong, no, to Singapore. His sister lived there. You go and stay there and while you're there, organize, reorganize the visa. So is that when you went and did you start seeing Hong Kong, Taekwondo in Hong Kong? Yeah. Yeah, so you started Taekwondo in Hong Kong?

Now Singapore you start Taekwondo? Not Singapore. When Singapore stayed in his sister's house while he organizing the visa. One month, two months never happened. I think that not all never, never, never, never had to change. From there, I don't know what to do. Cross countries, Malaysia from Singapore.

Ross Cameron (36:47.278)
Korean embassy. I visit embassy there because military defense force military attach. Colonel Nam Tae-hee, I know. So I wanted to give me help. I went there, explained the situation. say, you maybe go to the Kalantan, is east coast of Malaysia. That time is ...

They said it's what do call it, the carnival review. Anyway, that's where I went to. One Korean doctor, I special doctor, he gave me the name and contact number. One day I met him. I sleep on the garden. On the park bench. Park benches. I don't have money that time. Then from there, I meet a few local people.

the organization association to get the visa you must sponsor to Malaysia. From there I went to Thailand while they organized my visa. Maybe takes about two three months.

But they gave me the one Korean, the Thailand people, the Swiss, friend of my Taekwondo president. He gave me the phone number. When they stay in his office. How long you can stay in the office. But I met one Korean old man who is representing the Korean cross.

Manufacturer? Manufacturer. So he invited me to come his place. I was lucky I stayed there. Seven months wait for visa. Seven months? Seven months. Did you do any teaching in that time or none? Everyday waiting for news from Malaysia.

Ross Cameron (38:58.432)
Anyway ... So that was Thailand? Thailand. And then back to Malaysia? And then what happened is I worried and worried, no news, no news. So Thailand also got a three-month visa, choice visa, expiring. You have to go out and have to come back again. And my old man was staying. He gave me the bus ticket to go out and come back. Now it's next country. And when they come back

Still no news, waiting, waiting. So there's a broker for organizing the visa. Broker, every country they have. There's one Korean guy who was a broker. He introduced me, okay, I want to get a visa in Thailand. Stay longer because I had to go back to Malaysia while waiting for the visa. So $700 US to get the

Visa Thailand. So I gave him the passport. He said, money, you have to pay upfront. How can I trust you? You have to get the visa first, then I pay you. He said, okay, you took my passport, waiting, waiting another two months. Got a telegram from Malaysia, visa is approved. So I called this guy now.

I told the truth, you I didn't have money. But I promised you I'll pay you back as soon as possible when I go back to Malaysia. He was, of course, not happy. But what can you do? You can't do anything. I throw out my passport.

Thank you very much. I went back to Korea and ... to Malaysia. Within a few months, could save our money, send the money straight away to him, $700. That's very much that in my life. Mm-hmm. And then you established Taekwondo in Malaysia, from memory, you had massive distances between your clubs. I got three clubs, three states.

Ross Cameron (41:15.95)
Kelam Tan, Trang Anu, Pahang, East Coast of Malaysia. Each state's about one hour, one and a half hours drive distance. So I start different clubs. It was very successful. Two days, Monday, Tuesday, one class. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday travel all the way from first and travel more time. And I've seen pictures of you. Was that in your mini, sir?

Yeah, Mini Miner. And the classic Mini Miner. Mini Miner is right. That's funny that when I get the car, Mini Miner is this, what do call it, Italian job? The Italian job, yes sir. I like the small Mini Miner, Mini Cooper I think. Yeah, Mini Cooper S, yep. So I went to car yard and I bought that one because I don't have drive license, you have to learn. Yep. I learned free.

three lessons, went to the test, what do call the tester or? The instructor, yeah. The instructor was my student. No problem, no test, I'm a legend straight away. because of that I nearly killed myself because I didn't know how to drive properly. Corner spin, I couldn't turn right turn. Car is that's very hard to roll a mini sir.

Ross Cameron (42:51.298)
So, but my speaker, the music still on. I opened the car, like that, because most of the side came out, people, few people, they pushed the car, many, many small, they can push it. Tip it over, yep. Still able to drive. Lucky it was extended. So then you had...

You had these successful clubs in Malaysia, and we got the ... ?? And then you went to Sydney and built a really good established club in Sydney and multiple clubs around Sydney. ... ?? In Australia, as you said, there wasn't any when you arrived. How did it grow over the

the 70s and 80s. being one of the biggest martial arts in Australia. All based off the amount of work that you put in. What led to that success do you think?

Ross Cameron (44:11.534)
I think when I started classes, small classes in dance studio, within three months, was too small. I was able to find a good venue, people through the street. Then I spent nearly, when I wake up, go to gym and stay there and training all day. I try really. I remember you telling me once that you used to just.

draw all the posters and run around the streets and put the posters up sir.

Ross Cameron (44:53.966)
post that I made myself, morning I wake up and went to put the restaurant, all the Chinese restaurant. They don't mind, right? They put there and billboard. day I got caught by the police. It's billboard, it's prosecuted, whatever. It's not allowed. They took me to the police station, put in the jet and In the jail. Served.

Next day, have to go to court.

and everything, it's like, naughty boy, don't do it next time. I was lucky. That was how started, the taekwondo class in Sydney. But that shows the determination to do what you needed to do to get the exposure that you needed to get. So that's impressive, When I conducted the class, it was a nice hall. My open stand was ...

where I was standing. The window, they saw it. People can watch from there. Now it's right at this end. They're watching the classes. When I conduct the classes, nearly every day, 10, 15 people were watching from the window. Was that the Liverpool Street? Liverpool Street. Yes, sir. When I finished, everybody wanted to join.

They really liked the way I teach them, I And from there, probably should start one class. I have to have a second class, third class. But there's three classes every day. One class for two days. So, when you landed in Sydney and before you went full-time martial arts, I remember a story you told me about when you worked at Holden.

Ross Cameron (46:50.104)
Would you like to tell me about when you worked at Holden? My car? No, when you worked at Holden with the car manufacturers. yeah. Well, before I started Taekwondo class, I want to know when I was Sydney, I want to know what kind of... Actually, he was a first instructor. But he said, no, Australian no good. Taekwondo, not so good. His class was Pitt Street. Pitt Street? So when I finished...

I visited his school. He got only about 10, 15 students. But was teaching, not even uniform, with small stickers, teaching. said, because they can't get students. Anyway, he said, you better go to America, Australia, because people never fight on the street. They don't need a self-defense. But in my mind, no, the way you conduct is not the way.

and he was working the holding company. So I went to follow him because I wouldn't do something. My money is running out. And I was, there's a, every day got a new people holding company. Every day leads so much to new people. When I get a job, I just stand in the line. The assembly line. Assembly line. Do something, few job. Next one they follow up and it's an engine.

Yep, no break time coffee time one guy's The foreman foreman he just one young guy Chinese guys kick me because I would be slow. I've never done those kind of job. So come on quick Okay, so you have to engage with something how many? Washer but he said don't want to just put it two

three all the time. They make it quick. I know that Holden Karnowen, the way you make it. Anyway, I followed him. just, without gauging it, I could put two, quick. Then this guy's always Keeps kicking me. I can break time, coffee time. I said, come on. You always kick me. They said, why you kick me? just ... you Korean?

Ross Cameron (49:16.398)
Do you know Taekwondo? I was surprised. Yep. Yes. How do you know Taekwondo? He's Singaporean, I call it Japanese, Chinese. Do you know Taekwondo? He asked me. I heard about it. So you did Taekwondo? Yeah, I'm Taekwondo, know, I'm in Blackbird. I was interested. So where are you from in Singapore? Singapore, who is your partner? B.S. Wang.

Because I promoted in phase one. So his instructor was your student. he's one. Okay, the black belt. How can you keep people like that? You shouldn't keep them in your black belt. Whatever. Anyway, just pretend. That time I knew I'm not going to stay here. But I was working two and a half months.

I stopped. I concentrated on looking for the hall. Then I got the dance hall. And when I was conducting, this guy walked in. He saw me. What a surprise, you know?

Ross Cameron (50:37.475)
Yes, I'm interested. You said, I'm so sorry. I didn't know who you were. That's all.

funny story. It's interesting that you've gone from living through military coups and sleeping on park benches and all the rest to being what I would consider one of the most successful martial arts instructors on the planet. I don't know. There's not many people that have had that sort of life and affected so many people around the world.

Not only through ITF Taekwondo, but also through Yunjung-do, but then also through just your ability to mentor other people and help grow. And I've seen many of your students go on to be businessmen, very successful and grow from there. And I think that's one of the biggest lessons that I've found from your teachings.

is that it's not just martial arts, it's about the holistic of how you develop a human. So can you give me, is that what you perceive martial arts to be? Is it a holistic way of life? Yeah, I think so. That's why I strongly believe that's why I developed Yun Jung Do.

Ross Cameron (52:10.734)
The way martial art is kicking and punching, really competition in martial art.

That whole human development is the way of life, to conduct your life for worthwhile.

Ross Cameron (52:32.654)
Mm hmm. So as with with some of your roles in Taekwondo, you would have spent time with Ricky and Park Jungtae and that generation of martial artists.

Ross Cameron (52:50.008)
Do you think that they achieved what they wanted to? Do you think that there's more to the martial arts to be shown? Well, in a while I was in ITF, as you know. I was also one stage chairman of technique committees talking about techniques and patterns and so on. Because of the

that job, I had to conduct and teach them how to compete and all those things. The way I was, this is not the way I should promote. I didn't really enjoy it because my job, have to keep doing it. After seminars, I feel not happy. I really feel very embarrassing, which I don't believe, but I have to try to convince people to do it. And that's why I...

kind of a disagreement with General Choi.

opportunity to talk about how I feel about it. He was talking about Olympics. Focusing on the sport rather than focusing on an act. I can understand as a founder of Taekwondo, Taekwondo name given by General Choi. Before he died he wanted to see Taekwondo.

Ross Cameron (54:23.918)
except that he's not doing it. But while I was in ITF, I had to follow him anyway. Do you think that decision ... Do you think that the concept behind getting Taekwondo into the Olympics was sort of like based off judo being the Olympics or wrestling being the Olympics? Or do you think it was how he saw it would expand or ...

Ross Cameron (54:58.798)
So it's a surprise you want to see Taekwondo

I don't

Ross Cameron (55:21.324)
function.

How can you say you cannot punch but you can kick? Move your head or whatever. It's dangerous. So I thought I should concentrate.

human life, know, like those are conditions. So now I started Yun Jung Do with you. The very first sort of group of us went through and now Yun Jung Do has developed to a system where it's designed for mobility, stability, human movement.

that's designed to improve health rather than just how to fight. Is that where you see it ending or do you see it going further?

Ross Cameron (56:28.142)
teach handicapped people for example, for older people because everybody, human being, the body is getting old.

young people, but everybody need keep up exercise to maintain the health. That's why.

Ross Cameron (56:54.797)
Some stages, Brisbane City Council, they send over 50 people. lot of them are handicapped people, you people, injured when they were young or whatever. Because I told them, this is for everybody. Doesn't matter what condition you are. That's why the council was interested. They send it. One guy even can't work properly, you know? But he's... But he improved over time. Improved his flexibility.

pay special attention to him. He loved it. He's the one first time all the time there. three months courses. And while he was very even, very hard to work, but he worked no problem. He put his leg on the chair, no problems. So I told him, you are right back now. So that's why I said not grading test.

Progress. Progress reviews. Tell them how much you progress. That's why I like to say progress review. So for the average person out there that's listening to the concept behind you, you know, it's the movement and all the rest of it. But to the martial artists out there that don't know you,

This is not a, it's not a, not a, not a nice story, but it's a story that proves that, that you're coming from a place not only, not only of skill and, technical prowess that your heart is in the right place. So I don't know a story of when you were in the army and you had a gentleman challenge you. could you, could you elaborate on that story, sir? So that we.

We,

Ross Cameron (58:52.327)
conducting the crisis in the Army. When I joined the Army, they...

Ross Cameron (59:00.27)
soldiers to teach taekwondo. They give me the one nice barracks, empty barracks in the train. I've seen a picture of you with the makawara boards down the side of it. It's beautiful. when I was...

Negro soldiers, sergeant, came and chewing Gum and all this and watching. After the break, he approached to me, he want to fight. What do you that? Challenging. Challenging me. So I was very, you know, don't know what to do. All my students heard about it. If I said no, they think I'm scared of him, whatever. I said no, don't do that. He was wearing shoes. said ...

to take off shoes, you want to come here? no, don't come, I said ...

practiced one when I was a boxer. But takwondo is different from boxing. It's quite dangerous. can be injured seriously. And no problem. So I cannot refuse because I was, to be honest, a little bit scared too. know, this guy, big guy. But I cannot refuse. You challenged me. I have to say that.

So I asked my assistant.

Ross Cameron (01:00:29.72)
better want to see him in chapter because I want to see his techniques.

keep trying.

Ross Cameron (01:00:43.534)
Mm-hmm.

I to see his movement. So he said, no problem. He was stuck. This guy you don't know, he just move back all the time. He trying to punch it. Okay, then after that, this guy was kind of, I want you to fight. But I knew already his movement, start. When I trying to show front snap, hand down, reverse turning kick, that time was ...

Pretty good. Really with the heels right here. The body like this.

whole body. The floor is concrete floor. And then second ... It hit his head. Unconscious. Unconscious. Straight away, ambulance came. This mid-track came. Went to hospital. Stitched about seven stitches around here because here's ... Right around his orbital.

then ta ta.

Ross Cameron (01:02:00.504)
explain to him, lucky, he's okay, he'll be alright. But it's a swollen night already. Took him to the hospital.

And next morning, the company called me. I was in big trouble.

where he reported somebody reported what happened. I was sergeant at that time, E-5 sergeant in Korean Army. Sergeant, I heard about the stories. He's American Colonel.

you're lucky you didn't kill him.

Ross Cameron (01:02:40.718)
But he was, he shouldn't do that in the process.

Ross Cameron (01:02:48.782)
He was lying down as poor ice, ice pack and putting ice. Yep, covered his face with ice pack.

His name is Sergeant Smith.

Ross Cameron (01:03:06.158)
He said, I'm sorry, my fault. I shouldn't do that. It's like he's gentleman, He apologized to me. Okay, I'm so sorry. Because that time I didn't control. I had to show him, you know? But he's straight over. He's hand down, straight head.

Ross Cameron (01:03:32.622)
good part is next morning everybody will know about it. A lot of American soldiers. Salutations. All the guys are kidding. There's your street cred surge. It was a good time.

If little bit about half inch deeper. My heel is sore and I cannot put the shoes for nearly couple of weeks. That hard.

Nearly I killed him really. So sir, when you did the demo in Sydney, I remember there's a photo of you doing a fingertip thrust to boards. Most people don't believe that's possible. So can you tell me how the demo in Sydney helped?

Opera House came together and what sort of things there was in the marketing and what sort of things you did as a demonstration as the team? Well, at that time I was very keen to promote more, more people attract.

Ross Cameron (01:04:57.816)
she took to get.

whether I can hire the opera house. said no problem. One night, it's very expensive, the main studio, what you call stages. And I signed a contract and put it in streaming by General Chow and all that. And trying to introduce what is Taekwondo really. But that time was finger stressed, breaking the tile with the forehead, silly things.

I have vivid memory of the photograph of you with your head raised or hitting the tiles. And we all know now that it's not good for our brains. No, no, no. But the publicity that you got from it. Maybe the crazy Asian card.

know, was first demonstration with about just about 12 tires breaking his forehead.

There was a television people came and took photographs of this. In every theater, before they showed the main movie, they showed the news. My breaking task is on the news. When I go to the news, there's the first one, second, last news is the most interesting one because that time everybody come. Someone come late, missed, but last one most Is it everyone sees? Yeah. And they show them.

Ross Cameron (01:06:33.07)
Newspapers, they're written as interesting, very silly things. Very embarrassing, know. That's why I don't want to show this photograph to you. it's an interesting, well, an interesting time. Because of that, you know, I'm not smart. That damage my brain. Yeah, and it's interesting times that you had to go to those extremes to create the plodbicity.

to get to the interest in what you were doing. There's health issues that we come across because of we ... My hands have got arthritis and things like that because of the years of punching tiles and boards and those sort of things. We don't do that in Yun Jung Do anymore. We don't do it because I'm against it. Yeah, because it's a health issue, not ... No, no.

Yeah, we're looking, trying to look after our bodies and not just trying to be tough. So it's an interesting concept that we've had to go almost full circle to get to where we should have been in the first place. Yeah, know, breaking time is four, you gotta practice. I mean, I was at...

Ross Cameron (01:07:54.908)
Put it here and practice all the time.

That's why I was able to do that without killing myself. It's been trained that way. Without that, you hit and you die. But you gotta keep practice. But why do they damage your brain? If I didn't do that, I would be very smart man now. It damages.

Ross Cameron (01:08:27.37)
or beneficial, we look at them as being the opposite. Why you want to do that? Why you want to break with forehead, tires and bricks, whatever? Yeah, so breaking boards, and I know lots of styles still do it as a demonstration of power or whatever, but there's a health cost to it. And that's what Yun Jung-do is trying to avoid. It's trying to avoid the cost.

to So we do pad work and you do things like that to compensate and build the bone density and things like that. But you don't do the extreme where we're to injure ourselves. That's why

In olden days we thought it was just impress people, showing how tough you are or whatever, but you shouldn't do that.

Ross Cameron (01:09:25.876)
If you want to break tiles, use hammer. That time was interesting when I was in England, I demonstrating on seminars. But nearly 300 people packed. One guy said, do you do the demonstration breaking tiles or whatever? If you need it, yes, you maybe can do it. Can you break tiles? Yes.

how many breaks you can, depends, know. So.

You want to see me? Okay, yes. Bring the bricks, any bricks. Don't forget bring the hammer as well. One more hammer. When I need to break the bricks, need it. I use the hammer, not with my hand anymore. I think that's a very interesting point that makes Yun Jung-do stand different to a lot of things, is that we don't do destructions.

because of the health ramifications. You have to deal with all kind of different type of people, different level of people. Even now I exercise myself. I really enjoy the swimming pool. I thought my age... Sorry sir, how old are you?

Ross Cameron (01:10:59.854)
21. That's what my father tells me all the time too.

84 84 and still training every day. Every day two and a half hours. In the morning on the bed stretching exercise one hour ten minutes. I have my routine stretching exercise. you see the one hour ten minutes you finish. Normally 8.30 to 10 o'clock.

Ross Cameron (01:11:47.278)
first side stretching from rising kick and twist kick, side kick and turning kick and seeing all the body in the water. I really enjoy the lack of fish, pretend I'm fish. Yep. And improving your mobility and keeping the body moving. Do you think that that's...

going to aid you as you get older.

is changing with some movement I have to be careful.

understand my condition. So I do exercise which is suitable for me. I like to conduct people or AT people. I want show them what I can do. They can do too. They're practicing Yun Jung-ro, not martial arts. So after exercise and I have a shower, it's actually really great.

on the swimming pool go back to my unit, very hard to find my door. That's the problem. So now, as we've just mentioned that your eyesight's gradually going, you've got macrodegeneration ... Genetic disease, actually. From genetics.

Ross Cameron (01:13:24.032)
Eventually you will lose your sight.

Your biggest concern.

if you have, when you lose your sight. Is your biggest concern you haven't achieved what you wish to achieve with life?

Ross Cameron (01:13:43.97)
I'm honest.

Ross Cameron (01:13:51.662)
to the next generation. You just share together. But to do that you have to...

Ross Cameron (01:14:03.722)
I can't see the notes. I've got very limited things I can do. Only from memories I can talk. As you see, I've got a lot of notebooks. Years of study in your library. Yeah, But I can't

That's why you

of people, I want to share my life stories and all that, but I'm very limited, I don't think I can fully appreciate what I'm doing. That's why I need help, like all of you. What I can do, can, you know, all of you can stand taller than me, you you are on my shoulder, you see more further than me.

So we might leave it there, And then we'll do another chat in another couple of weeks. Okay. I don't know. Can I, my talk is sensible? Yes, Oh, very much, sir. Maybe silly talking, huh? Oh, no, sir. Good content, good conversation, I hope everybody feels the same way. Maybe you're biased, huh?

It's interesting to let people know that you've come through from Korea and your trip from Korea to get to Australia and then the work that you put in for the Oceania region and then worldwide, people don't understand how much you've actually contributed to the world. Well, thank you very much.

Ross Cameron (01:16:11.0)
These days, sometimes I can't sleep because I knew my job hasn't finished. I wanted to do so many

Ross Cameron (01:16:30.958)
disappear or just rushed out. want to share at least something I know for the future generation.

Ross Cameron (01:16:43.01)
These days, I started a lot of talk with my wife before, never have a chance to talk, but now I got a of things I can discuss with my wife. My wife find very interesting. And as Demetrius and I can testify, you're certainly a family man. Your kids are your world and your wife is your world. And your grandkids and...

the amount of joy that they give you and the amount of joy I've seen them get from you. I talked to Jackie and Jung Won quite often and we always have a laugh about your dirty jokes. I like the joke anyway. Yes, I feel my children.

not far away or too far. All of them live in Brisbane somewhere and can enjoy it. that's all I can do. There's certainly a testimony to you, They have been motivated and gone off and chased their own careers and their own lives and been successful, which is fantastic, I don't know. What do you mean successful? Well,

They're good humans is number one. They have great sense of humor, so do you, And they contribute to society. as far as I'm concerned, as far as most people are concerned, they're successful. Not only are they successful in life by having good relationships and lifelong friends and those sort of things, but they've...

They've contributed to the world.

Ross Cameron (01:18:49.71)
planet with honor.

Ross Cameron (01:18:57.089)
and

Ross Cameron (01:19:04.238)
should have done their way. Yes, sir. I think we all have those regrets. We wish we had done things and hadn't done things, but so long as we leave the world in a better place than when we arrived. And I think you've certainly done that.

Ross Cameron (01:19:28.248)
happy with a fortuitous

Ross Cameron (01:19:35.47)
Mm-hmm.

Ross Cameron (01:19:40.589)
so

I'm financially to keep up my serve my wife until we die.

Ross Cameron (01:19:53.358)
future. When I get sick, I don't want to have a nose.

lifespan, life support.

Ross Cameron (01:20:11.854)
I like to see my children more often.

Michael

I'm we'll be here April. April. Michael, you talk, always mention about Dimitri. Dimitri is okay. And I got a lot of friends there, really problems they're children. A lot of them.

Custodyne. keep the tenants is not easy.

Ross Cameron (01:21:15.581)
I was not a good husband for you, but now I'm going to be trying my best.

Ross Cameron (01:21:23.438)
I'm Jesus.

Ross Cameron (01:21:28.526)
All right, sir. We shall leave it there. Okay. Thank you very much for your time and really, very appreciate what you've been preparing for the seminar. More than welcome, I'll be just only, you know, like a shadow. I don't know how much I can do at this time. And all of you, possibly you have to do that for Yes, sir. Yep. And the more of these little chats that we have, the better it will be,

because now we sort of covered a bit of history. Now we can start getting into things like more in depth about Yun Jung Do and where you see it what you see is actually going to happen. Maybe one day, show me what I exercise. Yes, sir. Or maybe interested. Not only young people. I've got a GoPro there, which is waterproof, sir.

Ross Cameron (01:22:51.47)
Yun Jung-do just isn't obviously the exercise, but it's also your mental health and mixing with good people and what you always bring up as well is that you always want to share your knowledge. So I think even with that, filming you having a coffee with Ross or going out and doing things and socializing, all part of In life, most important things, what are the most important things in life? Health.

friends, what I can contribute to others. What is more thankful? I thought, know, my unit is, we like my unit, the position there. I like the air. I think most important is air, fresh air, which is free of charge, but without air, you can't live more than five minutes. Air, fresh air.

Breathing is very important. Exercise, deep breathing, meditation. The next important is water. Without water you cannot live, no? Fresh water, nice warm water. And balanced diet. Next one is exercise, regular exercise. The next one is peace of mind. Your mind, if you're stressed, all sickness will happen. Peace of mind, happiness. You always love yourself.

If you love yourself, people will love you. You must respect yourself, your body. Love them, they work so hard but they forget about himself. You must look after yourself properly. then, of course, friends are very important, in my opinion. Friends, good friends who can lean your back when you have problems and good things to enjoy together.

Most important part is your partner, I think. The children who are grown up, they're everywhere too busy, but wife's the only one stay until I die. I'm really too thankful for my partner.

Ross Cameron (01:25:06.638)
Of course, what you think back is what you have done. Whether you're really proud of what you have done or if you repeat again, you do the same thing again or you change. A lot of regret. You made a lot of mistakes. Mistake is, I think, should work on the mistake. Mistake is when you made a mistake, you learned something new. You should take it as like a petrol station. You stop, and what's wrong? You change, redirect.

If anything you have to improve, you have to improve. Then when you die, you should be really happy, no regret, not too much regret. I did my job, my life was good, I'm happy. Going forward for the rest of my life. Hand the baton on to the next person. Yeah, so it's a... I'm in the really...

the marathon is nearly, but five minutes left now, nearly touching the tape now. have to, know, everything I do I have to be careful. And anyway, thank you very much for your time, both of you. And I hope you are the, both of you will carry on. This is something can be brought very proud. Yes, sir.